A conversation between Mary Zimbalist and Krishnaji, suggested by Krishnaji after a letter was received from a Mr. Geoffrey Nicoletti of Philadelphia, who wrote at some length trying to reconcile the teachings of Krishnamurti with his own understanding of the life and significance of Padre Pio. Krishnaji suggested that instead of dictating a reply to the letter that I read it very thoroughly and then question him from the point of view of the letter and see what comes out of it. Mr Nicoletti has studied carefully the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and is also deeply affected by the life of Padre Pio, what he exemplified and his religious significance. He is therefore wrestling with on the one hand Padre Pio'smystical expression of a Catholic point of view alongside that of Krishnamurti which denies faith, denies any effort through prayer, asceticism or any other way at all. This is quite unlike the Catholic church's two ways of reaching so called altered states: firstly by fasting, asceticism, denial, suppression and secondly the mystical way, which is defined, or is seen as God's, or whatever, using God as the easy way to explain it - God's effort toward man. This is the starting point for a fascinating exploration of the commonalities and differences between these two ostensibly opposing philosophies.